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i am george knapp listening to that ufo

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podcast and having one hell of a good

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time

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hi everyone and welcome back to a very

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special that ufo podcast in a huge near

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or a year of news and progress in the

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world of ufos one name has made arguably

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one of the biggest impacts for years his

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documentary the ufo phenomenon and

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subsequent book and plain sight have

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rocked the foundations of the subject

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and added a very valuable momentum to a

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growing cause i'd like to introduce ross

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kiltak to the podcast ross how are we

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i'm very well good eyed good at all your

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listeners

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yeah good day is that australian twang

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you've got and can i just say off the

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bat ross uh so many people asked me to

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either get ross to do one of his accents

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when he comes on the podcast from your

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audio book reading

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or let him swear so i was like yeah he's

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australian

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at some point

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i i think i owe tommed along a personal

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apology to be honest because when i um

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when i was doing the audio for the book

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i uh we did a uh audio book and uh i was

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asked to read it and uh i had so much

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fun because i turned tommed along i

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think into a 12 year old boy a very

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excitable 12 year old boy and uh

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i i'd love to meet him one day and shake

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his hand and apologize frankly my

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american accents are atrocious

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i i don't think that's a terribly

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inaccurate interpretation of tom delong

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being a uh exciting

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boy because he never really had

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he never in the best way possible he's

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never really grown up since he's blink

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182 days and i think that's what endears

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him to a lot of people uh but yeah your

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accents went down a storm from the

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amount of listeners who got in touch

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with me as well so that was something

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that was very much appreciated in the

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audiobook world for those who listened

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um listen ross you have done many many

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interviews before this and you've got a

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whole load more to do afterwards as well

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something that the listeners for this

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podcast particularly were very keen on

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was hearing something a little bit

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different or hearing some follow-ups

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from you as well so hopefully we've

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managed to do that within the body of

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the interview to keep things a little

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bit fresh the book itself show ross in

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plain sight has been released now in how

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um it's uh the us canada australia new

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uh and europe uk europe

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book yourself is it what you expected

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look i've been pleasantly overwhelmed to

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i wrote the book pretty much as a primer

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for my own inquisitiveness i i you know

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i i asked the questions that i thought

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anybody should ask

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and it was really funny because i had a

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bit of a panic when i finally sent it

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off to the publisher because i thought

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look it's not really saying anything

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that hasn't been said already and

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frankly i feel that you know a lot of

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the stories that i focused on are

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stories that have already been well told

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by some very good people in ufo research

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but i guess what i did was i

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that it's saying something different

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which i'm quite heartened by to be

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uh i can tell you the the volume of the

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response has just been completely

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overwhelming i'm i

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every day i log on to my email server

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and there's another 150 emails and

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i i just i've moved house in recent

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i'm dealing with literally uh unpacking

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boxes and putting things on shelves and

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the pressures of dealing with that and

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dealing with um

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answering the incredibly voluminous

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is quite extraordinary

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and if anything i have to say the

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responses that i've had

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which is good and that's something a lot

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of people were asking about and we'll

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get to it down the line can i just ask

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before we talk about the book what was

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your interest in ufos or uap whatever

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as a journalist i was repeatedly told

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don't cover this issue

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and it intrigued me because

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i hadn't really engaged with the subject

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matter that much i'd done

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one story as a student journalist about

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the kaikoura ufo story and um

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which happened in christmas of

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1978 that's how old i am

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and i was a 16 year old boy at that time

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and i followed that up for university in

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about 1981 and spoke to people who told

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me that there'd been a government

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cover-up and i kind of chortled about

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that but years later when i finally got

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to meet

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john cordy who was one of the air

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traffic controllers from the new zealand

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i was flawed because there was a

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cover-up there's absolutely indisputably

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a cover-up i mean no doubt about it at

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there was a cognitive dissonance between

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i was being told as a journalist by

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popular media response this kind of

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default response to ridicule stigmatize

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and treat with taboo the ufo phenomenon

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and just to treat it with derision

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and yet privately

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was working on a story with our

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and i was in a room with very very

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senior officers of the australian air

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force and we were in a mess having a

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beer at the end of a long day's filming

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and one of them after a few beers

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basically said to me look can i ask why

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do why don't you guys do stories about

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ufos

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and i said well because they're [\h__\h]

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you know nobody does stories about ufos

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he laughed and he said no they're not

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and then he called over other people in

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the room other officers who were flying

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officers who were pilots of jet aircraft

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and pretty much all of them had stories

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about anomalous objects that they'd seen

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i said to them why isn't this public

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information and all of them talked about

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the fact that indeed inside the air

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force there was also a taboo and a

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stigma attached to the subject matter of

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it was like everybody was operating on

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an operant assumption that this was a

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subject that was to be ridiculed but

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nobody could explain to me why it was

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being ridiculed

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that tweaked my journalistic curiosity

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and i'm paid to dig i'm paid to look for

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stories that

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people probably don't want told

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looked at the american national archives

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ufo research done by superb authors like

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it really blew me away because it was

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quite clear that there was a solid

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history sourced to solid real documents

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that officialdom couldn't explain that

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pleasantly surprised at the level of

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response all i've done is

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to the story that i would do to any

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and it's funny because i did i've had

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journal mates say to me journalist mates

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have said to me oh mate you're putting

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going to be [\h__\h] toast at the end of

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this if you if you do this story and i

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i don't really care i mean i've i did

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stories on bikey gangs once and people

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gang boss told me that he was going to

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chainsaw my head off you know

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and and ultimately you just have to get

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on with it and tell the story and have

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faith that if you tell the story

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honorably and accurately and well you'll

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get through

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and i have a kind of a mystical belief

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as a journalist i've been in the game

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i think stories have a life

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and sometimes they want to be told

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every now and then i've put a story back

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on the shelf and i've closed it and gone

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i'm going to come back to you in a few

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years time when you're good and ready

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and often those are stories that are

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incredibly sensitive and personally

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quite damaging and hurtful for the

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person that's telling them

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and with ufos for years i'd kept on

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pulling that off the shelf

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and for no good reason i feel

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executive producers and editors of tv

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programs and newspapers would say to me

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stories they're all [\h__\h]

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and i'd go why

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and the weird thing about it was it all

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came to a head for me on the australian

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60 minutes program where i was an

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and i heard chris mellon on an interview

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and chris mellon talked about the fact

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that as the former deputy assistant

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secretary of defense

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he was concerned that the united states

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government wasn't being as transparent

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as it could be about the ufo issue about

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the uap issue

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and that really tweaked my interest so i

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wrote a letter to him

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and he wrote back he said yeah sure i'll

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do an interview

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and then i went to my executive producer

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at 60 minutes australia and they said to

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me yeah yeah sure you know we can do

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that story we'll do an interview with

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this former very senior defense

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department official talking about ufos

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and then we're all set up to go to the

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states

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and the day before

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they bailed

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and they came to me and they said look

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i've made a call

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i think we're just going to get

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ridiculed if we do the story and i said

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why i said this is a very senior

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official of a defense department

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they're saying it's real they're saying

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the phenomenon is something that ought

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properly to be investigated

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why would we bail on it and they

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couldn't really articulate why they

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didn't want it

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told but i think ultimately they were

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fearful as a as an editor as an

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executive producer of a tv public

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affairs program they were fearful that

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they wouldn't be taken seriously and

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frankly i think it's infantile that the

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media always takes to piss with ufo

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stories

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because

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now that i know

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what i know now that i've assessed the

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data and i've looked at all the evidence

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i don't think there's any legitimate

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reason yes there are some crazy people

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who make allegations that

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you know aren't true

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but sometimes i've been able to prove to

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my satisfaction that what they're

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telling me isn't true

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but there are other people that i've

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spoken to along the way who are

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corroborated by independent data they're

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verified by independent reports in

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government departments that i've dug out

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on freedom of information

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and i think it's entirely valid as a

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journalist for me to investigate that

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and i think you're going to find

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that

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people like me are going to start asking

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more questions as it becomes more and

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more obvious and it became very obvious

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to me during my research

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as it becomes more and more obvious that

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that there is a phenomenon here that is

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legitimate that it's real and it

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deserves to be investigated and i think

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it's long overdue i think the media has

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completely dropped the ball on this

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subject matter and it's time we picked

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up the ball and ran with it and started

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doing some serious digging

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i mean you imagine imagine if imagine if

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the investigative arms of all of the

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major newspapers

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started asking questions imagine if for

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example

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instead of letting it lie when say as i

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write in my book the leaked

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democratic national congress committee

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democratic national committee emails

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were sent to wikileaks and they were

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published on the web

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the media ran

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with all of the emails about the iraq

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war and the afghanistan war you know

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because frankly i think it suited their

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political agenda

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but when people in the media saw that

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john podesta was being emailed by a rock

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star called

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tom de long

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and they were talking with generals from

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the u.s air force about ufos

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why the hell didn't the media ask

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hillary clinton what this was all about

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why haven't people asked those questions

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and that's the question i found myself

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asking when i was seeing for my own eyes

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the fact that there were documents there

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were leaked documents that allowed us to

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glimpse into

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the dnc's emails and to show that the

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campaign manager for a presidential

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candidate no less in 2016 was having

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email exchanges

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with a guy pushing for ufo transparency

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and moreover that guy tom delong had

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been going around doing interviews

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saying that he'd been told by quote the

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general

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that it was the cold war and we found a

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life form and we recovered alien craft

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surely it's time to start asking

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questions

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and i to this day i shake my head i just

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do not know and i've had phone calls

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from some very famous journalists

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because i'm a i'm a member of a group

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called icij the international consortium

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of investigative journalists

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and it's based in washington dc and um

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you know i've been in the room and met

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woodward and bernstein the guys who

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broke watergate and seymour hirsch who

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broke the milia massacre and i'm talking

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to journalists at that level

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internationally and a number of them

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have sought me out in recent months and

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said hey rosco you're writing a book on

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ufos and i go yeah

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and i send them a copy of the

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documentary and they look at it and they

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all come back and they go

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wow and very few of them don't have

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stories about ufos very few of them

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don't

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have a story where they've been told by

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a public official that this is

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legitimate but ultimately what's been

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holding them back is fear of ridicule a

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taboo a stigma

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and little do they know because as i

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discovered

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that stigma that ridicule was instigated

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by the us intelligence community in a

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deliberate disinformation campaign in

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the 1960s and the 1970s

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that's what blew me away that that the

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the history the counterfactual history

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of what's really been going on is

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let me comment ross on something you

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said earlier about the the book and you

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were surprised that you didn't think you

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were telling anything new but when when

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an artist like johnny cash famously

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covered heart by nine-inch nails that

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was a song that had been out and you

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know had been done and people loved it

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but that song is now his

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because it's his interpretation and

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people resonate with that interpretation

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of the same piece of music and i think

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that's what happens in this subject and

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what happened with your book was people

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saw a story that had been been told

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before but the way you put it together

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and what you added to it is what's hit

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the right notes with people and i think

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i'm so pleased to hear that i mean

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that's the best compliment you can pay

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any journalist i mean the thing you live

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for as a journalist is to be able to

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communicate a story that you've

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investigated and to get the facts across

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as objectively and as clearly as you see

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them i mean for example one of the

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things i wrestled with when i was doing

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my documentary was

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do i tell the story of alleged crash

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retrievals

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and i agonized about it to be honest i

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was really nervous about it because even

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though i had the former director of

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science and technology development from

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the u.s navy no less nat cobits on the

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record telling me that he was briefed

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into an alleged program which allegedly

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involved the retrieval of multiple

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non-human

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craft

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even though i had that kind of evidence

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and i had other evidence that i'd seen

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from the new york times with dr eric

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davis and to a lesser degree senator

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harry reid

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talking about

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briefings about

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objects not of this earth technology not

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of this earth of i spoke to congressmen

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and their staffers who told me that

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they'd been confidential briefings in

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the congress where they'd learned

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about

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craft retrieved craft i spoke to

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officials and scientists even then i was

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still nervous about doing a story about

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a crash retrieval and so i looked at

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doing roswell and then i thought ah

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everybody's done roswell it's kind of

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boring you know i'm kind of bored with

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roswell because ultimately at the end of

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it i'm still sitting on the fence i'm

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still not sure

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and then i looked at the aztec case

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and i met scott and suzanne ramsey and

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they sat me down and they showed me

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their evidence and it blew me away i

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mean it was a methodical

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thorough

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rigorous

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piece of investigative journalism

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and that's why i did the aztec story

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that's why i decided to at least give an

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airing to an allegation about a crash

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retrieval and by golly i'm glad i did

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because so much information has come in

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the door since

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and then

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i agonized too about the connection

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asserting the connection between ufos

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and nuclear weapons because i'd spoken

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to a lovely man whose book i recommend

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to you robert hastings

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his book ufos and nukes is just

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extraordinary

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and it's it's better than most

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investigative journalism that i've seen

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anywhere frankly it's a really thorough

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methodical 40 50 years of work where

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he's gone around america and the world

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and interviewed people who've had direct

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experiences with the phenomena in

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nuclear facilities

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and he's just methodically recorded what

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their experiences were and asserts that

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there is a connection

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and even when i spoke to him and when i

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spoke to bob salas who had his missile

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shut down in 1967 in a minuteman silo i

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was still nervous about making the

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assertion and you know what it's really

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funny i was waiting for some newspaper

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to attack me and the only newspaper

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that's taken a swipe at me is a

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newspaper that doesn't like me very much

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because i've embarrassed them about

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something and they just made some snide

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comment about how ross coulthart's

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career is

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is so in the doldrums that uh he's now

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reduced to writing books on ufos

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and you know what

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[\h__\h] him

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i don't care

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you know there's your swear word by the

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way

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i really just don't care you know for

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the life of me i i do not give a flying

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[\h__\h] if some twerp from a newspaper has

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a swipe at me because i'm investigating

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an issue that they think is

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to be ridiculed because they have no

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idea

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so privileged i actually feel privileged

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00:20:30,310 --> 00:20:28,000
to be

559
00:20:32,950 --> 00:20:30,320
drilling into this story

560
00:20:35,510 --> 00:20:32,960
at a time when the rest of the media

561
00:20:38,630 --> 00:20:35,520
isn't because

562
00:20:43,350 --> 00:20:38,640
they're missing out it is frankly the

563
00:20:48,230 --> 00:20:45,669
let me ask you and the recent bill that

564
00:20:50,710 --> 00:20:48,240
said come to light in the us the ndaa

565
00:20:53,430 --> 00:20:50,720
bill a few things are specified amongst

566
00:20:55,590 --> 00:20:53,440
them are biological effects working with

567
00:20:58,149 --> 00:20:55,600
allies and a suggestion of not

568
00:21:00,789 --> 00:20:58,159
necessarily recovered crashed technology

569
00:21:02,630 --> 00:21:00,799
but discovered technology now we've

570
00:21:04,950 --> 00:21:02,640
heard hints and stories of possible

571
00:21:07,430 --> 00:21:04,960
discoveries made during archaeological

572
00:21:09,669 --> 00:21:07,440
digs from the the tom delong and peter

573
00:21:12,390 --> 00:21:09,679
lavender book secret machines and bob

574
00:21:14,870 --> 00:21:12,400
lazar famously they tend to focus on

575
00:21:17,430 --> 00:21:14,880
areas around crete or in the middle east

576
00:21:18,789 --> 00:21:17,440
as locations for those discoveries have

577
00:21:21,350 --> 00:21:18,799
you heard anything that would back up

578
00:21:23,510 --> 00:21:21,360
those sorts of claims

579
00:21:27,430 --> 00:21:23,520
uh i haven't heard it for crete or

580
00:21:29,350 --> 00:21:27,440
greece but yes i have heard that a craft

581
00:21:32,310 --> 00:21:29,360
was recovered

582
00:21:34,230 --> 00:21:32,320
uh from the indian subcontinent that's

583
00:21:36,549 --> 00:21:34,240
what i was told by somebody with a smirk

584
00:21:39,110 --> 00:21:36,559
from the intelligence community

585
00:21:41,110 --> 00:21:39,120
and i was told that it was taken as part

586
00:21:43,909 --> 00:21:41,120
of operation moon dust

587
00:21:45,029 --> 00:21:43,919
to the wright patterson air force base

588
00:21:46,789 --> 00:21:45,039
and

589
00:21:48,710 --> 00:21:46,799
you know bottom line is

590
00:21:51,510 --> 00:21:48,720
i don't know if it's true or not

591
00:21:53,990 --> 00:21:51,520
but i was gobsmacked to go through the

592
00:21:56,230 --> 00:21:54,000
cia's library and if you go into their

593
00:21:59,510 --> 00:21:56,240
online archive and i've got the links to

594
00:22:01,590 --> 00:21:59,520
this in my book you will find a document

595
00:22:04,390 --> 00:22:01,600
in feet in fact multiple documents that

596
00:22:07,430 --> 00:22:04,400
refer to operation moon dust

597
00:22:10,149 --> 00:22:07,440
tracing and attempting to recover

598
00:22:11,590 --> 00:22:10,159
a flying saucer that's the word they use

599
00:22:13,830 --> 00:22:11,600
a craft

600
00:22:15,750 --> 00:22:13,840
that has been discovered in i think in

601
00:22:17,430 --> 00:22:15,760
one case in nepal

602
00:22:18,950 --> 00:22:17,440
and in another case in the province of

603
00:22:20,710 --> 00:22:18,960
afghanistan

604
00:22:23,110 --> 00:22:20,720
and uh just today i was having a

605
00:22:25,590 --> 00:22:23,120
conversation with an indian ufo

606
00:22:27,590 --> 00:22:25,600
researcher who

607
00:22:30,390 --> 00:22:27,600
was filling me in on

608
00:22:32,549 --> 00:22:30,400
what he knows about that incident

609
00:22:34,870 --> 00:22:32,559
and you know frankly the only reason

610
00:22:36,149 --> 00:22:34,880
that cia archive has been declassified

611
00:22:36,950 --> 00:22:36,159
is because

612
00:22:38,870 --> 00:22:36,960
when

613
00:22:42,789 --> 00:22:38,880
bill clinton was the president john

614
00:22:45,110 --> 00:22:42,799
podesta made it very very clear that

615
00:22:46,070 --> 00:22:45,120
as a senior policy adviser to the

616
00:22:47,669 --> 00:22:46,080
president

617
00:22:49,669 --> 00:22:47,679
he thought the u.s government should be

618
00:22:52,070 --> 00:22:49,679
being more transparent about what it

619
00:22:55,110 --> 00:22:52,080
knows about the phenomenon

620
00:22:57,350 --> 00:22:55,120
and i think he was persuaded to the

621
00:22:59,990 --> 00:22:57,360
notion that there has been

622
00:23:02,549 --> 00:23:00,000
an official reluctance to release

623
00:23:04,470 --> 00:23:02,559
all that the u.s knows

624
00:23:06,789 --> 00:23:04,480
and so it was under the clinton

625
00:23:10,390 --> 00:23:06,799
administration that most of those cia

626
00:23:12,230 --> 00:23:10,400
files were declassified in a huge swag

627
00:23:16,149 --> 00:23:12,240
and what blew me away is whilst they've

628
00:23:17,909 --> 00:23:16,159
been reported before i looked at them

629
00:23:19,270 --> 00:23:17,919
i actually read the the first time i

630
00:23:21,510 --> 00:23:19,280
looked at the one that talked about the

631
00:23:22,390 --> 00:23:21,520
craft in afghanistan i looked at it

632
00:23:23,750 --> 00:23:22,400
about

633
00:23:25,270 --> 00:23:23,760
10 times

634
00:23:27,510 --> 00:23:25,280
thinking

635
00:23:29,669 --> 00:23:27,520
is this is this a fake you know is this

636
00:23:32,070 --> 00:23:29,679
like an mj12 document that's been

637
00:23:34,149 --> 00:23:32,080
planted in a file or something else

638
00:23:36,310 --> 00:23:34,159
and it just gobsmacked me that here in

639
00:23:38,470 --> 00:23:36,320
the cia's archives there was a document

640
00:23:41,029 --> 00:23:38,480
that asserted a craft retrieval or at

641
00:23:41,909 --> 00:23:41,039
least an attempted craft retrieval

642
00:23:45,430 --> 00:23:41,919
and

643
00:23:48,310 --> 00:23:45,440
when i spoke to as journalists do my

644
00:23:50,230 --> 00:23:48,320
anonymous sources in different sections

645
00:23:51,590 --> 00:23:50,240
of the us defense and intelligence

646
00:23:53,909 --> 00:23:51,600
community

647
00:23:55,750 --> 00:23:53,919
i was amazed i expected it to be quite

648
00:23:57,669 --> 00:23:55,760
difficult to get people to talk to me

649
00:24:00,789 --> 00:23:57,679
about this but once people knew that

650
00:24:02,710 --> 00:24:00,799
they were speaking to me confidentially

651
00:24:04,549 --> 00:24:02,720
and once they knew that i'd gone to

652
00:24:07,750 --> 00:24:04,559
enormous efforts to protect their

653
00:24:09,190 --> 00:24:07,760
identity by not using electronic means

654
00:24:11,669 --> 00:24:09,200
to communicate with them that could

655
00:24:13,269 --> 00:24:11,679
readily be bugged or tracked

656
00:24:15,830 --> 00:24:13,279
they opened up

657
00:24:18,230 --> 00:24:15,840
and i was told

658
00:24:19,029 --> 00:24:18,240
and i i'm cautious in saying this

659
00:24:20,630 --> 00:24:19,039
because

660
00:24:22,230 --> 00:24:20,640
people will immediately assume that i'm

661
00:24:23,269 --> 00:24:22,240
saying it's true

662
00:24:24,149 --> 00:24:23,279
i don't

663
00:24:26,390 --> 00:24:24,159
know

664
00:24:29,029 --> 00:24:26,400
it's true because there's always the

665
00:24:30,830 --> 00:24:29,039
risk of a disinformation program there's

666
00:24:33,750 --> 00:24:30,840
always the risk that what this is is

667
00:24:35,510 --> 00:24:33,760
another richard doty plant trying to

668
00:24:37,750 --> 00:24:35,520
mislead a journalist this has happened

669
00:24:38,549 --> 00:24:37,760
countless times before

670
00:24:41,110 --> 00:24:38,559
but

671
00:24:43,590 --> 00:24:41,120
i was told that yes there is a program

672
00:24:46,870 --> 00:24:43,600
there is an active ongoing program where

673
00:24:48,549 --> 00:24:46,880
the us government has recovered kraft

674
00:24:51,750 --> 00:24:48,559
and indeed one of the things i worked

675
00:24:54,710 --> 00:24:51,760
through was the historical documents of

676
00:24:56,710 --> 00:24:54,720
wilbert smith the canadian researcher

677
00:24:58,789 --> 00:24:56,720
and his communications with a guy called

678
00:25:01,830 --> 00:24:58,799
robert serbacher who

679
00:25:03,590 --> 00:25:01,840
was on the scientific advisory committee

680
00:25:06,870 --> 00:25:03,600
for the manhattan project and then

681
00:25:08,870 --> 00:25:06,880
allegedly later on worked for

682
00:25:11,190 --> 00:25:08,880
this secret group that was essentially

683
00:25:12,549 --> 00:25:11,200
trying to back engineer craft that had

684
00:25:15,110 --> 00:25:12,559
been recovered

685
00:25:16,710 --> 00:25:15,120
and he told researchers that he didn't

686
00:25:18,630 --> 00:25:16,720
understand why this was being kept

687
00:25:19,830 --> 00:25:18,640
confidential but he acknowledged its

688
00:25:20,950 --> 00:25:19,840
reality

689
00:25:22,710 --> 00:25:20,960
now

690
00:25:23,590 --> 00:25:22,720
there comes a time

691
00:25:25,510 --> 00:25:23,600
where

692
00:25:27,350 --> 00:25:25,520
as a journalist

693
00:25:29,350 --> 00:25:27,360
you go through different levels of proof

694
00:25:32,149 --> 00:25:29,360
and okay there's an allegation so prima

695
00:25:34,390 --> 00:25:32,159
facie there's an allegation say that

696
00:25:36,230 --> 00:25:34,400
x murdered y

697
00:25:38,149 --> 00:25:36,240
then you get to a kind of a civil level

698
00:25:39,909 --> 00:25:38,159
where you think you know beyond a

699
00:25:42,230 --> 00:25:39,919
balance of probabilities on a balance of

700
00:25:44,070 --> 00:25:42,240
probabilities it's probably the case

701
00:25:46,310 --> 00:25:44,080
that x murdered y

702
00:25:49,350 --> 00:25:46,320
and then you get to a criminal burden

703
00:25:51,350 --> 00:25:49,360
where you think beyond reasonable doubt

704
00:25:53,909 --> 00:25:51,360
ex murdered y

705
00:25:55,750 --> 00:25:53,919
well i'm on the i'm on the civil burden

706
00:25:57,590 --> 00:25:55,760
at the moment i think it's on the

707
00:25:59,430 --> 00:25:57,600
balance of probabilities more likely

708
00:26:01,750 --> 00:25:59,440
than not that the united states

709
00:26:04,310 --> 00:26:01,760
government is lying through its teeth

710
00:26:05,669 --> 00:26:04,320
when it says that it hasn't recovered et

711
00:26:07,190 --> 00:26:05,679
craft

712
00:26:09,830 --> 00:26:07,200
and it's really interesting because the

713
00:26:12,230 --> 00:26:09,840
only president that has ever said that

714
00:26:14,870 --> 00:26:12,240
is barack obama

715
00:26:16,950 --> 00:26:14,880
and they did it under enormous pressure

716
00:26:19,430 --> 00:26:16,960
if you remember there was a petition

717
00:26:20,950 --> 00:26:19,440
which was put to the white house

718
00:26:23,510 --> 00:26:20,960
and i think the president's office in

719
00:26:25,269 --> 00:26:23,520
order to get the media off their back

720
00:26:27,110 --> 00:26:25,279
referred it to the scientific advisor

721
00:26:29,909 --> 00:26:27,120
for the president and

722
00:26:31,990 --> 00:26:29,919
probably without the authorization

723
00:26:33,590 --> 00:26:32,000
or the supervision too closely at the

724
00:26:35,350 --> 00:26:33,600
president a press release was put out by

725
00:26:37,269 --> 00:26:35,360
the science advisor which basically

726
00:26:39,029 --> 00:26:37,279
asserted definitively

727
00:26:41,029 --> 00:26:39,039
that as far as the white house was aware

728
00:26:42,549 --> 00:26:41,039
there is no evidence of extraterrestrial

729
00:26:44,710 --> 00:26:42,559
visitations to the planet earth and

730
00:26:47,110 --> 00:26:44,720
there's certainly no evidence i think of

731
00:26:49,190 --> 00:26:47,120
recoveries of alien spacecraft

732
00:26:51,590 --> 00:26:49,200
so it pooh-poohed the whole roswell

733
00:26:54,390 --> 00:26:51,600
story as a myth and an untrue myth at

734
00:26:58,149 --> 00:26:56,549
i'm not so sure anymore

735
00:27:00,470 --> 00:26:58,159
and i think we should be asking that

736
00:27:03,510 --> 00:27:00,480
question and for me as a journalist that

737
00:27:05,830 --> 00:27:03,520
was a huge turning point

738
00:27:07,430 --> 00:27:05,840
and and the best way i can express this

739
00:27:10,950 --> 00:27:07,440
is to say

740
00:27:13,110 --> 00:27:10,960
that journalists always have

741
00:27:15,830 --> 00:27:13,120
10 times as many sources

742
00:27:17,750 --> 00:27:15,840
for the sources that they quote publicly

743
00:27:19,669 --> 00:27:17,760
and so i'm making no secret of the fact

744
00:27:22,630 --> 00:27:19,679
that when net cobits went on the record

745
00:27:25,990 --> 00:27:22,640
with me and said yes you can quote me i

746
00:27:27,909 --> 00:27:26,000
was briefed into a ufo retrieval program

747
00:27:30,070 --> 00:27:27,919
he introduced me to people

748
00:27:33,669 --> 00:27:30,080
he put me on to people that he knew

749
00:27:35,990 --> 00:27:33,679
inside the defence science military

750
00:27:38,710 --> 00:27:36,000
infrastructure and those people spoke to

751
00:27:40,950 --> 00:27:38,720
me because nat recommended that i do

752
00:27:42,470 --> 00:27:40,960
and they've trusted me with their

753
00:27:44,149 --> 00:27:42,480
information

754
00:27:46,630 --> 00:27:44,159
and

755
00:27:47,430 --> 00:27:46,640
i think there's something to it i don't

756
00:27:50,070 --> 00:27:47,440
know

757
00:27:51,269 --> 00:27:50,080
for sure are you asking me is there a

758
00:27:53,750 --> 00:27:51,279
is there a

759
00:27:56,710 --> 00:27:53,760
tr3b or whatever it is jacked up on

760
00:27:58,549 --> 00:27:56,720
blocks in a cave somewhere in area 51 i

761
00:28:03,750 --> 00:27:58,559
don't bloody know

762
00:28:07,750 --> 00:28:05,750
now listen you talked about stigma and

763
00:28:10,950 --> 00:28:07,760
one of the arguments people will always

764
00:28:13,350 --> 00:28:10,960
use in this conversation about ufos is

765
00:28:15,909 --> 00:28:13,360
if these craft are so technologically

766
00:28:18,230 --> 00:28:15,919
superior as they would appear to be how

767
00:28:20,470 --> 00:28:18,240
can they how can they crash so in your

768
00:28:22,710 --> 00:28:20,480
findings and your research have you

769
00:28:26,310 --> 00:28:22,720
forged any opinion as to why they may

770
00:28:28,710 --> 00:28:26,320
one crash or to be left here

771
00:28:30,389 --> 00:28:28,720
well you're using the word crash

772
00:28:32,549 --> 00:28:30,399
and i guess i did use the word crash

773
00:28:34,070 --> 00:28:32,559
with the aztec

774
00:28:35,909 --> 00:28:34,080
incident

775
00:28:37,269 --> 00:28:35,919
but i'm not persuaded that they're all

776
00:28:39,029 --> 00:28:37,279
crashes

777
00:28:40,149 --> 00:28:39,039
edgar mitchell and this is something i'm

778
00:28:42,870 --> 00:28:40,159
telling you

779
00:28:44,950 --> 00:28:42,880
for the first time edgar mitchell told

780
00:28:46,870 --> 00:28:44,960
my source the space man who was one of

781
00:28:49,510 --> 00:28:46,880
his closest friends

782
00:28:53,750 --> 00:28:49,520
that he understood that

783
00:28:55,269 --> 00:28:53,760
a fully functioning craft was found

784
00:28:57,029 --> 00:28:55,279
literally with the lights on and the

785
00:29:00,230 --> 00:28:57,039
door open

786
00:29:02,149 --> 00:29:00,240
and the us military recovered it off the

787
00:29:03,669 --> 00:29:02,159
mexican military

788
00:29:05,990 --> 00:29:03,679
under gunpoint

789
00:29:07,990 --> 00:29:06,000
and took it back to the united states

790
00:29:09,669 --> 00:29:08,000
off mexican soil

791
00:29:12,789 --> 00:29:09,679
and that was a story that edgar mitchell

792
00:29:14,389 --> 00:29:12,799
told my friend the spaceman

793
00:29:15,830 --> 00:29:14,399
now i don't know if it's true or not but

794
00:29:17,750 --> 00:29:15,840
i don't think edgar mitchell had lost

795
00:29:18,630 --> 00:29:17,760
his marbles even by his late time in

796
00:29:21,669 --> 00:29:18,640
life

797
00:29:22,549 --> 00:29:21,679
and he was utterly convinced

798
00:29:25,590 --> 00:29:22,559
that

799
00:29:27,750 --> 00:29:25,600
there had been multiple craft retrievals

800
00:29:29,830 --> 00:29:27,760
he told this to his friend and indeed he

801
00:29:31,269 --> 00:29:29,840
told it to multiple friends

802
00:29:33,269 --> 00:29:31,279
so when you have the one of the most

803
00:29:36,230 --> 00:29:33,279
respected astronauts one of the greatest

804
00:29:37,510 --> 00:29:36,240
american heroes of recent times

805
00:29:39,430 --> 00:29:37,520
defying

806
00:29:41,750 --> 00:29:39,440
the united states government and

807
00:29:44,950 --> 00:29:41,760
accusing the us government of a cover-up

808
00:29:46,630 --> 00:29:44,960
of a conspiracy to conceal information

809
00:29:48,310 --> 00:29:46,640
one of the other things he told his mate

810
00:29:49,990 --> 00:29:48,320
was

811
00:29:54,470 --> 00:29:50,000
he

812
00:29:56,950 --> 00:29:54,480
road as a little boy in roswell

813
00:29:59,750 --> 00:29:56,960
he loved that story edgar mitchell that

814
00:30:03,350 --> 00:29:59,760
his family in the 19th century within

815
00:30:05,430 --> 00:30:03,360
the last hundred years had traveled by

816
00:30:07,029 --> 00:30:05,440
horse and cart

817
00:30:09,269 --> 00:30:07,039
across america

818
00:30:10,789 --> 00:30:09,279
to live in the west

819
00:30:12,789 --> 00:30:10,799
of america

820
00:30:16,070 --> 00:30:12,799
and here he was within that hundred

821
00:30:19,430 --> 00:30:16,080
years doing a moon mission

822
00:30:22,950 --> 00:30:19,440
as an astronaut walking on the moon

823
00:30:25,990 --> 00:30:22,960
uh incredible stuff very very wise very

824
00:30:27,510 --> 00:30:26,000
very spiritual very very sincere honest

825
00:30:29,190 --> 00:30:27,520
man

826
00:30:30,950 --> 00:30:29,200
and he went back

827
00:30:34,710 --> 00:30:30,960
with the space man

828
00:30:36,789 --> 00:30:34,720
to the roswell arteria area and he

829
00:30:39,029 --> 00:30:36,799
introduced the space man to

830
00:30:40,149 --> 00:30:39,039
people that he knew

831
00:30:41,510 --> 00:30:40,159
and

832
00:30:44,630 --> 00:30:41,520
edgar

833
00:30:45,090 --> 00:30:44,640
told the space man that he had been

834
00:30:47,269 --> 00:30:45,100
shown

835
00:30:50,470 --> 00:30:47,279
[Music]

836
00:30:51,909 --> 00:30:50,480
material that was recovered from the

837
00:30:54,549 --> 00:30:51,919
roswell crash

838
00:30:57,190 --> 00:30:54,559
material that was quite clearly

839
00:30:58,310 --> 00:30:57,200
not human technology

840
00:31:01,669 --> 00:30:58,320
now

841
00:31:03,750 --> 00:31:01,679
i've got no idea

842
00:31:05,909 --> 00:31:03,760
but it's quite obvious to me that the

843
00:31:07,590 --> 00:31:05,919
united states air force is lying through

844
00:31:09,509 --> 00:31:07,600
its teeth

845
00:31:11,590 --> 00:31:09,519
and

846
00:31:14,470 --> 00:31:11,600
one of the things that's been emphasized

847
00:31:15,590 --> 00:31:14,480
to me by multiple sources

848
00:31:19,190 --> 00:31:15,600
is

849
00:31:22,149 --> 00:31:19,200
craft we found archaeologically

850
00:31:24,070 --> 00:31:22,159
they were found in apparent crash

851
00:31:26,149 --> 00:31:24,080
incidents

852
00:31:29,110 --> 00:31:26,159
and more importantly they were also

853
00:31:30,950 --> 00:31:29,120
found as if they'd been left

854
00:31:33,909 --> 00:31:30,960
on purpose

855
00:31:37,269 --> 00:31:33,919
for us to find

856
00:31:39,590 --> 00:31:37,279
now i can't explain that i don't know

857
00:31:41,590 --> 00:31:39,600
why that would be the case

858
00:31:43,509 --> 00:31:41,600
but

859
00:31:47,029 --> 00:31:43,519
why would multiple people tell me this

860
00:31:49,750 --> 00:31:47,039
from within the defence intelligence

861
00:31:51,909 --> 00:31:49,760
hierarchy of the us government

862
00:31:55,990 --> 00:31:51,919
you know what what's to be gained by

863
00:31:59,590 --> 00:31:57,669
ross were there any guesses from any of

864
00:32:01,669 --> 00:31:59,600
these people at any point or or

865
00:32:07,350 --> 00:32:01,679
summations as to why these things had

866
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:10,710
no it's all speculation

867
00:32:15,909 --> 00:32:12,870
i'll tell you what though

868
00:32:18,789 --> 00:32:15,919
without going into too much detail my

869
00:32:21,350 --> 00:32:18,799
inclination increasingly

870
00:32:23,389 --> 00:32:21,360
is to follow the jacques valley line

871
00:32:26,389 --> 00:32:23,399
and say that i don't think the

872
00:32:28,789 --> 00:32:26,399
extraterrestrial hypothesis fits

873
00:32:31,029 --> 00:32:28,799
what we're talking about here

874
00:32:34,070 --> 00:32:31,039
it doesn't make sense to me

875
00:32:36,470 --> 00:32:34,080
in fact the more i look at this the more

876
00:32:41,669 --> 00:32:36,480
i am drawn to the notion

877
00:32:48,310 --> 00:32:44,710
and i know that sounds mind-boggling

878
00:32:51,029 --> 00:32:48,320
but let's summarize what we do know

879
00:32:52,630 --> 00:32:51,039
what we do know is that there is

880
00:32:53,990 --> 00:32:52,640
anomalous

881
00:32:55,830 --> 00:32:54,000
technology

882
00:32:58,230 --> 00:32:55,840
and i don't give a rat's ass what the

883
00:33:00,070 --> 00:32:58,240
skeptics say it is technology it's not

884
00:33:02,149 --> 00:33:00,080
weather balloons it's not weather

885
00:33:04,950 --> 00:33:02,159
phenomena it's not misidentified

886
00:33:08,230 --> 00:33:04,960
aircraft it's a technology

887
00:33:09,669 --> 00:33:08,240
it's way beyond known terrestrial

888
00:33:12,070 --> 00:33:09,679
technology

889
00:33:13,669 --> 00:33:12,080
as the five observables say it's

890
00:33:15,269 --> 00:33:13,679
hypersonic

891
00:33:18,310 --> 00:33:15,279
it's capable of

892
00:33:22,470 --> 00:33:18,320
maneuvers that are incredible turning

893
00:33:25,750 --> 00:33:22,480
right angle turns on the point of a dime

894
00:33:28,389 --> 00:33:25,760
it appears to have stealth capacities

895
00:33:30,710 --> 00:33:28,399
it appears to be able to penetrate solid

896
00:33:32,549 --> 00:33:30,720
surfaces it appears to

897
00:33:35,350 --> 00:33:32,559
to be able to manipulate human

898
00:33:36,710 --> 00:33:35,360
perception and consciousness

899
00:33:38,470 --> 00:33:36,720
this is

900
00:33:40,310 --> 00:33:38,480
weird [\h__\h]

901
00:33:43,190 --> 00:33:40,320
and it's real and and there are

902
00:33:45,909 --> 00:33:43,200
documents and sources that substantiate

903
00:33:46,870 --> 00:33:45,919
the reality of this phenomenon

904
00:33:48,230 --> 00:33:46,880
so

905
00:33:54,149 --> 00:33:48,240
let's

906
00:33:55,110 --> 00:33:54,159
that what we are talking about here

907
00:34:00,230 --> 00:33:55,120
is

908
00:34:02,470 --> 00:34:00,240
inexplicable by known human technology i

909
00:34:04,789 --> 00:34:02,480
know some people are still clinging by

910
00:34:06,710 --> 00:34:04,799
their fingernails to the notion

911
00:34:09,750 --> 00:34:06,720
that this might be some black american

912
00:34:12,230 --> 00:34:09,760
project that it might be a a tr-3b or an

913
00:34:15,270 --> 00:34:12,240
aurora that was developed 30 or 40 years

914
00:34:17,349 --> 00:34:15,280
ago and who knows that may be the case

915
00:34:19,510 --> 00:34:17,359
but i don't think the us built it i

916
00:34:21,030 --> 00:34:19,520
don't think they conceived it i don't

917
00:34:22,550 --> 00:34:21,040
think if if they have cracked

918
00:34:24,310 --> 00:34:22,560
anti-gravity i don't think they did it

919
00:34:25,829 --> 00:34:24,320
by themselves

920
00:34:27,349 --> 00:34:25,839
i think there's a strong possibility

921
00:34:28,869 --> 00:34:27,359
they have

922
00:34:32,069 --> 00:34:28,879
but

923
00:34:33,030 --> 00:34:32,079
somebody's given them a cosmic shove

924
00:34:34,790 --> 00:34:33,040
and so

925
00:34:37,349 --> 00:34:34,800
if it is future human let's just

926
00:34:40,389 --> 00:34:37,359
postulate for a moment moment why would

927
00:34:42,629 --> 00:34:40,399
future humans suddenly start taking a

928
00:34:45,589 --> 00:34:42,639
much more active interest in humanity

929
00:34:47,990 --> 00:34:45,599
around about 1947

930
00:34:50,069 --> 00:34:48,000
over an area of new mexico and nevada

931
00:34:52,310 --> 00:34:50,079
where we ah just so happened to be

932
00:34:54,950 --> 00:34:52,320
testing nuclear weapons

933
00:34:57,109 --> 00:34:54,960
and why is it i commend again robert

934
00:34:59,510 --> 00:34:57,119
hastings excellent book to everybody

935
00:35:03,430 --> 00:34:59,520
ufos and nukes

936
00:35:05,829 --> 00:35:03,440
why is it that almost every single icbm

937
00:35:08,870 --> 00:35:05,839
facility in the united states has been

938
00:35:11,670 --> 00:35:08,880
visited by these objects

939
00:35:13,670 --> 00:35:11,680
it's in encounters with this phenomena

940
00:35:16,150 --> 00:35:13,680
why is that happening it is an

941
00:35:18,950 --> 00:35:16,160
irrefutable connection

942
00:35:21,430 --> 00:35:18,960
and so if you extrapolate from that is

943
00:35:22,870 --> 00:35:21,440
it inconceivable that future humanity

944
00:35:24,630 --> 00:35:22,880
might be trying to warn us about the

945
00:35:25,750 --> 00:35:24,640
dangers of what we're doing playing with

946
00:35:27,109 --> 00:35:25,760
matches

947
00:35:28,470 --> 00:35:27,119
because that's what edgar mitchell told

948
00:35:29,990 --> 00:35:28,480
his friend

949
00:35:32,470 --> 00:35:30,000
edgar mitchell said they're worried

950
00:35:36,790 --> 00:35:32,480
about the kitties playing with matches

951
00:35:40,950 --> 00:35:38,790
now ross in the acknowledgement of your

952
00:35:43,349 --> 00:35:40,960
book you thanked bob grignier of the

953
00:35:45,030 --> 00:35:43,359
martin fleischmann memorial institute

954
00:35:47,829 --> 00:35:45,040
and he is doing some extremely

955
00:35:50,230 --> 00:35:47,839
interesting work there on monopoles evos

956
00:35:52,470 --> 00:35:50,240
and ball lightning and ball lightning

957
00:35:54,630 --> 00:35:52,480
has many of those signatures that you

958
00:35:57,430 --> 00:35:54,640
talked about potentially if we

959
00:35:59,910 --> 00:35:57,440
forget et technology and this is some

960
00:36:01,670 --> 00:35:59,920
anomalous technology did you speak to

961
00:36:04,470 --> 00:36:01,680
him about those sorts of things and what

962
00:36:07,030 --> 00:36:04,480
did you take away from his work

963
00:36:10,310 --> 00:36:07,040
i did talk to bob and i've spoken to

964
00:36:12,390 --> 00:36:10,320
other people who also have as equally a

965
00:36:14,310 --> 00:36:12,400
commanding knowledge of physics

966
00:36:17,270 --> 00:36:14,320
particularly quantum physics and

967
00:36:21,510 --> 00:36:17,280
particularly the evo technology

968
00:36:23,910 --> 00:36:21,520
i'm also fascinated with the

969
00:36:29,750 --> 00:36:23,920
burgeoning group of

970
00:36:36,390 --> 00:36:33,270
the sapphire project

971
00:36:39,670 --> 00:36:36,400
which appear to be claiming

972
00:36:42,390 --> 00:36:39,680
that they are capable of producing more

973
00:36:44,310 --> 00:36:42,400
energy out than in

974
00:36:46,230 --> 00:36:44,320
and they're doing this essentially by

975
00:36:48,630 --> 00:36:46,240
the same phenomena essentially it's a

976
00:36:52,150 --> 00:36:48,640
contained plasma

977
00:36:53,670 --> 00:36:52,160
and it all goes back to the evo

978
00:36:54,790 --> 00:36:53,680
phenomena

979
00:36:57,190 --> 00:36:54,800
and

980
00:36:58,790 --> 00:36:57,200
it also all goes back to a guy called

981
00:37:01,750 --> 00:36:58,800
kenneth shoulders

982
00:37:03,990 --> 00:37:01,760
whose work you can look at on youtube

983
00:37:06,630 --> 00:37:04,000
uh

984
00:37:09,589 --> 00:37:06,640
who postulated exactly what

985
00:37:11,589 --> 00:37:09,599
these companies are now talking about

986
00:37:13,349 --> 00:37:11,599
and i know it's roundly discredited

987
00:37:15,430 --> 00:37:13,359
because essentially

988
00:37:17,109 --> 00:37:15,440
martin fleischmann to whom the martin

989
00:37:19,430 --> 00:37:17,119
fleischmann memorial project is

990
00:37:23,030 --> 00:37:19,440
dedicated was of course

991
00:37:25,670 --> 00:37:23,040
one of the two people pons fleischmann

992
00:37:26,790 --> 00:37:25,680
who postulated cold fusion

993
00:37:29,910 --> 00:37:26,800
back in

994
00:37:31,990 --> 00:37:29,920
the 1980s and were roundly hounded and

995
00:37:33,910 --> 00:37:32,000
discredited for making the assertions

996
00:37:37,510 --> 00:37:33,920
that they were generating energy

997
00:37:39,750 --> 00:37:37,520
in a cold fusion process ironic then

998
00:37:42,150 --> 00:37:39,760
that periodically just for a brief

999
00:37:43,270 --> 00:37:42,160
moment about a year ago nasa published a

1000
00:37:44,470 --> 00:37:43,280
paper

1001
00:37:47,190 --> 00:37:44,480
asserting

1002
00:37:48,829 --> 00:37:47,200
a possible breakthrough in cold fusion

1003
00:37:51,270 --> 00:37:48,839
and then it just

1004
00:37:53,829 --> 00:37:51,280
disappeared and all around the world if

1005
00:37:56,790 --> 00:37:53,839
you look at the scientific literature

1006
00:37:58,950 --> 00:37:56,800
there is quite a body of work to show

1007
00:38:01,589 --> 00:37:58,960
that there really is something to this

1008
00:38:03,510 --> 00:38:01,599
evo technology and i think the company

1009
00:38:05,430 --> 00:38:03,520
that's coming the closest i'm taking a

1010
00:38:10,150 --> 00:38:05,440
really close interest in them is the

1011
00:38:13,910 --> 00:38:12,870
sierra alpha foxtrot

1012
00:38:16,550 --> 00:38:13,920
india

1013
00:38:18,870 --> 00:38:16,560
romeo echo sapphire

1014
00:38:19,910 --> 00:38:18,880
and if you look up the sapphire project

1015
00:38:22,150 --> 00:38:19,920
they've got

1016
00:38:23,349 --> 00:38:22,160
extraordinary claims they've even

1017
00:38:25,030 --> 00:38:23,359
claimed

1018
00:38:27,190 --> 00:38:25,040
in one interview

1019
00:38:29,510 --> 00:38:27,200
that they had a mild anti-gravitic

1020
00:38:31,510 --> 00:38:29,520
effect

1021
00:38:33,990 --> 00:38:31,520
on the tip of the conductor that they

1022
00:38:36,630 --> 00:38:34,000
were using during the process

1023
00:38:38,550 --> 00:38:36,640
so the department of energy i think a

1024
00:38:40,310 --> 00:38:38,560
couple of major aerospace companies the

1025
00:38:42,870 --> 00:38:40,320
department of defense are all taking a

1026
00:38:44,470 --> 00:38:42,880
strong interest in this technology

1027
00:38:46,230 --> 00:38:44,480
and

1028
00:38:47,750 --> 00:38:46,240
you know if you accept the conspiracy

1029
00:38:49,109 --> 00:38:47,760
theory that we've already discovered all

1030
00:38:50,630 --> 00:38:49,119
this stuff years ago and we're just

1031
00:38:52,390 --> 00:38:50,640
trying to find a way of farming it out

1032
00:38:54,310 --> 00:38:52,400
through private industry maybe that's

1033
00:38:57,750 --> 00:38:54,320
what's happening but i sincerely hope it

1034
00:38:59,829 --> 00:38:57,760
is because we could be on the cusp of a

1035
00:39:00,790 --> 00:38:59,839
major breakthrough because if you look

1036
00:39:03,430 --> 00:39:00,800
at the

1037
00:39:04,950 --> 00:39:03,440
assertions that have been made by the us

1038
00:39:06,069 --> 00:39:04,960
navy's

1039
00:39:08,710 --> 00:39:06,079
uh

1040
00:39:10,790 --> 00:39:08,720
james sheehy who's a commander in one of

1041
00:39:12,310 --> 00:39:10,800
the navy's research labs in washington

1042
00:39:15,430 --> 00:39:12,320
dc

1043
00:39:19,109 --> 00:39:15,440
he vouched for the veracity of claims

1044
00:39:21,910 --> 00:39:19,119
made in a tinder application by

1045
00:39:23,750 --> 00:39:21,920
dr salvatore pay

1046
00:39:27,030 --> 00:39:23,760
p-a-i-s

1047
00:39:29,349 --> 00:39:27,040
and these extraordinary patents uh

1048
00:39:32,630 --> 00:39:29,359
applied for in the u.s patent office and

1049
00:39:35,030 --> 00:39:32,640
i go into them in detail in my book

1050
00:39:36,790 --> 00:39:35,040
where dr pay is asserting that he's

1051
00:39:38,230 --> 00:39:36,800
developed a room temperature

1052
00:39:40,310 --> 00:39:38,240
superconductor

1053
00:39:42,710 --> 00:39:40,320
a force field generator

1054
00:39:45,349 --> 00:39:42,720
a trans-medium vehicle

1055
00:39:48,870 --> 00:39:45,359
i mean what he's essentially describing

1056
00:39:51,589 --> 00:39:48,880
fundamentally is anti-gravity

1057
00:39:53,190 --> 00:39:51,599
um he's also describing a contained

1058
00:39:55,510 --> 00:39:53,200
fusion reactor

1059
00:39:57,829 --> 00:39:55,520
and in some of these patents commander

1060
00:39:59,430 --> 00:39:57,839
she his commanding officer has written

1061
00:40:00,710 --> 00:39:59,440
letters in support of the patent

1062
00:40:02,790 --> 00:40:00,720
application

1063
00:40:04,630 --> 00:40:02,800
asserting the veracity of their

1064
00:40:07,190 --> 00:40:04,640
operability

1065
00:40:08,950 --> 00:40:07,200
now in a past life i used to be a lawyer

1066
00:40:10,630 --> 00:40:08,960
and so i know that when you make a

1067
00:40:12,230 --> 00:40:10,640
patent application if you make a

1068
00:40:14,870 --> 00:40:12,240
fraudulent statement in a patent

1069
00:40:16,390 --> 00:40:14,880
application it's invalidated

1070
00:40:18,069 --> 00:40:16,400
so if it can be demonstrated that you've

1071
00:40:19,829 --> 00:40:18,079
made an assertion that is untrue at a

1072
00:40:22,069 --> 00:40:19,839
patent application then it completely

1073
00:40:24,790 --> 00:40:22,079
fails and it's useless

1074
00:40:27,349 --> 00:40:24,800
so why the hell is the u.s navy making

1075
00:40:29,750 --> 00:40:27,359
assertions within a few years of the tic

1076
00:40:33,190 --> 00:40:29,760
tac sighting in 2004

1077
00:40:35,430 --> 00:40:33,200
that it has developed technology that by

1078
00:40:38,430 --> 00:40:35,440
all accounts appears to be anti-gravity

1079
00:40:40,870 --> 00:40:38,440
technology and appears to be generating

1080
00:40:43,030 --> 00:40:40,880
extraordinary amounts of energy far

1081
00:40:45,349 --> 00:40:43,040
beyond known technologies that we have

1082
00:40:47,990 --> 00:40:45,359
on this planet at the moment

1083
00:40:49,990 --> 00:40:48,000
and all i'm doing is asking what the

1084
00:40:54,870 --> 00:40:50,000
hell's going on why aren't the media

1085
00:40:58,870 --> 00:40:56,550
now you're talking about anti-gravity

1086
00:41:01,030 --> 00:40:58,880
technology and a huge fan of your book

1087
00:41:03,109 --> 00:41:01,040
is one mr louise elizondo who i'm sure

1088
00:41:06,150 --> 00:41:03,119
you know well um

1089
00:41:07,510 --> 00:41:06,160
i asked you an email previously uh for

1090
00:41:09,030 --> 00:41:07,520
some from new information that

1091
00:41:11,190 --> 00:41:09,040
potentially might be coming up and you

1092
00:41:12,790 --> 00:41:11,200
said to me ross and i'll quote ask me

1093
00:41:15,670 --> 00:41:12,800
about the evidence that the us is

1094
00:41:18,069 --> 00:41:15,680
tracking uap craft using electromagnetic

1095
00:41:20,390 --> 00:41:18,079
signatures and i would potentially link

1096
00:41:22,230 --> 00:41:20,400
this to luella zondo himself teasing

1097
00:41:25,190 --> 00:41:22,240
that is a very simple way to detect

1098
00:41:26,550 --> 00:41:25,200
these objects would that be correct

1099
00:41:29,910 --> 00:41:26,560
i think he's right

1100
00:41:32,870 --> 00:41:29,920
uh i've spoken to boffins who've told me

1101
00:41:34,630 --> 00:41:32,880
that the us knew the frequencies that

1102
00:41:38,230 --> 00:41:34,640
allowed them to track

1103
00:41:41,190 --> 00:41:38,240
detect and anticipate these objects

1104
00:41:42,630 --> 00:41:41,200
way back 30 40 years ago they've known

1105
00:41:44,150 --> 00:41:42,640
about this and they've been tracking

1106
00:41:46,710 --> 00:41:44,160
them with aircraft

1107
00:41:49,030 --> 00:41:46,720
and i've spoken to people

1108
00:41:51,670 --> 00:41:49,040
bob fish is one guy i name in my book

1109
00:41:56,390 --> 00:41:51,680
who's a former very very uh highly

1110
00:42:00,790 --> 00:41:59,190
communications expert who was working in

1111
00:42:04,150 --> 00:42:00,800
the offices of a major defense

1112
00:42:06,309 --> 00:42:04,160
contractor and he was briefed about

1113
00:42:07,829 --> 00:42:06,319
an incident where

1114
00:42:09,270 --> 00:42:07,839
uh

1115
00:42:11,430 --> 00:42:09,280
i think the first time it happened was

1116
00:42:12,870 --> 00:42:11,440
in 1957

1117
00:42:14,550 --> 00:42:12,880
and it's actually there's a paper i've

1118
00:42:17,270 --> 00:42:14,560
discovered that she talks about this

1119
00:42:18,630 --> 00:42:17,280
where the frequencies for

1120
00:42:21,109 --> 00:42:18,640
the object

1121
00:42:23,910 --> 00:42:21,119
and its movement are described and

1122
00:42:25,829 --> 00:42:23,920
tracked by this craft by the

1123
00:42:27,910 --> 00:42:25,839
u.s air force craft

1124
00:42:29,910 --> 00:42:27,920
and then i've spoken more recently to

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00:42:32,710 --> 00:42:29,920
people who've told me i mean bob told me

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00:42:35,190 --> 00:42:32,720
that he was aware of allegations that

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00:42:37,030 --> 00:42:35,200
from a guy who was

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00:42:39,430 --> 00:42:37,040
on a surveillance aircraft that was

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00:42:41,190 --> 00:42:39,440
doing routine communications monitoring

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00:42:43,349 --> 00:42:41,200
off cuba

1131
00:42:45,829 --> 00:42:43,359
during the cold war

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00:42:48,069 --> 00:42:45,839
that guy briefed him about how the plane

1133
00:42:50,870 --> 00:42:48,079
that he was in was diverted to

1134
00:42:51,990 --> 00:42:50,880
a location off florida that's all he'd

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00:42:55,910 --> 00:42:52,000
tell me

1136
00:42:59,349 --> 00:42:55,920
where uaps were detected coming in and

1137
00:43:01,190 --> 00:42:59,359
out of the water that is craft coming in

1138
00:43:03,190 --> 00:43:01,200
and out of the water

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00:43:05,190 --> 00:43:03,200
trans-medium vehicles

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00:43:07,510 --> 00:43:05,200
ufos

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00:43:10,069 --> 00:43:07,520
and as a result of me talking about that

1142
00:43:13,349 --> 00:43:10,079
in other podcasts i've had

1143
00:43:15,190 --> 00:43:13,359
a an array of scientists

1144
00:43:16,950 --> 00:43:15,200
technicians

1145
00:43:19,030 --> 00:43:16,960
military

1146
00:43:20,309 --> 00:43:19,040
multiple sources have contacted me

1147
00:43:21,430 --> 00:43:20,319
telling me

1148
00:43:23,030 --> 00:43:21,440
not only

1149
00:43:25,349 --> 00:43:23,040
has the us

1150
00:43:27,670 --> 00:43:25,359
done this it's continuing to do it and

1151
00:43:30,950 --> 00:43:27,680
we're doing it in space now we're also

1152
00:43:33,190 --> 00:43:30,960
monitoring these objects in space

1153
00:43:35,589 --> 00:43:33,200
the allegation has been put to me by a

1154
00:43:36,630 --> 00:43:35,599
source that i hugely respect but won't

1155
00:43:40,309 --> 00:43:36,640
name

1156
00:43:42,150 --> 00:43:40,319
that the united states is exploring the

1157
00:43:43,910 --> 00:43:42,160
possibility and may indeed have already

1158
00:43:46,470 --> 00:43:43,920
attempted to do so

1159
00:43:48,069 --> 00:43:46,480
of using these frequencies to bring down

1160
00:43:49,910 --> 00:43:48,079
these objects

1161
00:43:51,750 --> 00:43:49,920
so essentially an offensive strategy

1162
00:43:52,589 --> 00:43:51,760
against one of these objects to deploy

1163
00:43:54,470 --> 00:43:52,599
the

1164
00:43:56,390 --> 00:43:54,480
electromagnetic frequencies of this

1165
00:43:58,470 --> 00:43:56,400
object against it to try and bring it

1166
00:44:01,430 --> 00:43:58,480
down

1167
00:44:03,270 --> 00:44:01,440
i sure as hell hope that's not happening

1168
00:44:05,510 --> 00:44:03,280
because the concern that was expressed

1169
00:44:07,829 --> 00:44:05,520
to me was the risks involved in doing

1170
00:44:09,670 --> 00:44:07,839
that multiple sources have told me that

1171
00:44:12,309 --> 00:44:09,680
they're aware

1172
00:44:15,589 --> 00:44:14,230
an active operation

1173
00:44:17,190 --> 00:44:15,599
right now

1174
00:44:20,550 --> 00:44:17,200
just off the virginia coast of the

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00:44:23,270 --> 00:44:20,560
united states of america where

1176
00:44:26,470 --> 00:44:23,280
since 2014 2015

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00:44:29,829 --> 00:44:26,480
u.s navy pilots have on a almost daily

1178
00:44:31,349 --> 00:44:29,839
basis being seeing anomalous objects

1179
00:44:33,990 --> 00:44:31,359
and filming them

1180
00:44:36,630 --> 00:44:34,000
right next to their craft

1181
00:44:38,550 --> 00:44:36,640
and i'm told and indeed elizondo went on

1182
00:44:40,470 --> 00:44:38,560
the record with me on this

1183
00:44:42,550 --> 00:44:40,480
some of these videos are extraordinary

1184
00:44:44,710 --> 00:44:42,560
they're incredibly clear but they

1185
00:44:46,390 --> 00:44:44,720
haven't been released to the public

1186
00:44:49,349 --> 00:44:46,400
why

1187
00:44:51,030 --> 00:44:49,359
if the u.s is genuine when it asserts

1188
00:44:53,910 --> 00:44:51,040
that this is a mystery

1189
00:44:56,710 --> 00:44:53,920
if it really is the truth as the uap

1190
00:44:59,670 --> 00:44:56,720
task force report to congress asserts

1191
00:45:02,230 --> 00:44:59,680
if it really is the truth that the us

1192
00:45:05,190 --> 00:45:02,240
has just discovered this phenomenon that

1193
00:45:05,990 --> 00:45:05,200
oh my god these ufos are hell they're

1194
00:45:10,870 --> 00:45:06,000
real

1195
00:45:12,470 --> 00:45:10,880
then why the hell haven't they released

1196
00:45:14,710 --> 00:45:12,480
everything they know

1197
00:45:17,670 --> 00:45:14,720
because a lot of what i've been told by

1198
00:45:19,990 --> 00:45:17,680
sources in government in military in

1199
00:45:20,870 --> 00:45:20,000
defence aerospace

1200
00:45:23,349 --> 00:45:20,880
is

1201
00:45:25,589 --> 00:45:23,359
mind-blowing

1202
00:45:29,030 --> 00:45:25,599
and i reckon the public's got a right to

1203
00:45:30,870 --> 00:45:29,040
know about it and i've invited officials

1204
00:45:32,790 --> 00:45:30,880
who've told me about it on the wreck off

1205
00:45:35,349 --> 00:45:32,800
the record i've said to them look is

1206
00:45:37,030 --> 00:45:35,359
there any good national security reason

1207
00:45:38,790 --> 00:45:37,040
that you can think of as to why the

1208
00:45:41,030 --> 00:45:38,800
public shouldn't at least be allowed to

1209
00:45:42,470 --> 00:45:41,040
see these videos

1210
00:45:44,230 --> 00:45:42,480
because frankly

1211
00:45:46,550 --> 00:45:44,240
i think i mean i haven't seen these

1212
00:45:48,630 --> 00:45:46,560
videos i've had them described to me

1213
00:45:51,270 --> 00:45:48,640
from what i've heard if they were

1214
00:45:53,349 --> 00:45:51,280
released it would be game over

1215
00:45:55,270 --> 00:45:53,359
that is all for this week's show thank

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00:45:57,349 --> 00:45:55,280
you very much for listening please

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00:46:23,750 --> 00:46:21,839
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00:46:26,550 --> 00:46:23,760
folks as always keep looking up you

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00:46:40,790 --> 00:46:26,560
never know what you might see

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00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:47,510
like

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i don't think he expected me

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[Music]

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00:47:35,030 --> 00:47:04,069
i can't imagine how it could have been

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00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:41,920
scare me

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00:48:07,510 --> 00:47:57,130
[Music]

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00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:11,310
your lies

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00:48:33,030 --> 00:48:26,170
[Music]

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00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:40,810
tac and not quite a saucer

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[Music]

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it's very different

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so